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eep26
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Piercings and orchestra jobs

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Hi!

I'm currently studying music in college and in the future, I'd like a professional career in the flute in an orchestra, as a soloist, or anything, really. I was wondering if a nose piercing would hinder my chances of being hired for an orchestra - I don't have a nose piercing, but I'm interested in getting one. Thank you! :)

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Things like Piercings, Tatoos, etc..... can potentially effect you getting a lot of jobs. I know very pretty talented people that have been through just that!

Keep in mind, people hire who they feel comfortable with. If the conductor/leader/producer does not feel comfortable with something about you, they will not hire you. Even in most cases if you are the most talented person in the world. However, if you are a soloist, you can pretty much do what you wish. You still have to get gigs even if you are the soloist. Being a black man who plays flute, I know I have been passed over on a few Classical gigs because they think I am only a jazz player, or sax doubler. Most of the people that did not hire me never gave me a chance to play.

Individuality is cool, and important. However, there is a price to pay for it. I REALLY do not think the nose piercing will be a big deal. Be aware that the Classical music realm is still very conservative. When you see a blog/page of a classical musician, just see how they look/appear in their promo pictures. I am even thinking about doing some promo pictures in a tuxedo as well....lol

I am sure some of the other more Classical players will chime in and flame me....lol This is not just an insight perspective for Classical music, but for life period. Appearance and how you portray yourself is very important. If an engineer looks like a truck driver, that engineer will have a hard way to go getting a job!

Peace and success to you.

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Post by Zevang »

As a principal flutist for 20 years now at an orchestra , I can say that besides playing well you need to feet into the group. Directors wouldn't aprove a person who, apart from being a good musician, is too different from the others (Nothing related to colors though, but to behavior). Could seem unfair, but the looking of an orchestra at the stage is something that really counts when performing for a big audience in a theater, besides that's why everybody use black ties. Personally I don't think using a discrete pearcing could matter. But of course you wouldn't put an enormous ring in your nose and look like a havy metal rocker, nor you would turn all your face and arms into tatoos.

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Post by fluteguy18 »

It's completely true. Even though the first rounds in an audition are behind a screen, the final rounds are often without a screen. In which case your appearance and stage presence play a large factor in their judgement.

There was once a panel at the NFA convention where several famous teachers were asked about the audition process at their schools. One thing that they all agreed with was that their first impression of you (visual) sometimes made up to 80% of the decision on whether or not to accept you.

The music business has a dirty little secret. Even though it should be only about sound, it is full of politics, and shallow superficiality. Like Juilliard for example. The past several students that have graduated from their flute program are beautiful, but not necessarily the best players.

I would think about this piercing with a great deal of seriousness. Especially if you happen to be a guy! (I don't know who you are). If I were on a hiring committee, I know that I personally would question a person's breathing ability if they had a nose piercing. Honestly, I probably wouldn't hire anyone with one. There are other (better) ways to show individuality and self expression....

Like your playing!

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Post by eep26 »

Thank you everyone! You really helped me and gave me great advice, which in turn helped me make my decision. I will stay nose piercing-free! :)

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But didn't I hear somewhere that getting your tongue pierced will dramatically improve your double-tonguing abilities? KIDDING!! :wink:

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ExPhysKid wrote:But didn't I hear somewhere that getting your tongue pierced will dramatically improve your double-tonguing abilities? KIDDING!! :wink:
But hey, I would imagine those people that pierce their tongue could use that tongue ring as a percussion instrument! Mix some beat box flute, with some lip plate percussion and you are good to go! LMAO!

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Post by Benjahmin »

@Phineas

I knew a guy having a Pearl ( probably silver) in his Tonguetip, who actually could percussion on a Sax-reed while playing, and having a microphone built into his mouthpiece it was quite audible too. The idea gave me the creeps up my spine though.
But why not tack a small blow-tube to ones tongue, to support the flute embouchure !! Sell it in Silver, Gold and Platin for a good sound-variety specially since even the classical orchestra won't see it !! ;-) ;-)

I very much agree to what was said about music-business beeing a very "optical" thing besides the accoustical aspect though. Consider live-music to be ""showbusiness"" and that a "show" is conceived by the eyes in the first place, wether one likes it, or not. So if you are into classical music, it will have to go with the visual aspects of just that...NO piercings or tattoos. It simply doesn't go with the vibes, the social aspects and "Aestethics" of this kind of music. Can anyone imagine a Mozart, composing his "Zauberfloete" while wearing a ring in his nose and having a tribal-tattoo across his forehead or even a Baseballcap over his wig ??
It goes the same just the other way around too though:
I'm into Afro-Jazz, Latin , Reggae and Ska, meaning, that if I would show up for a stage night in a suit and tie
I might not eben be allowed on stage. In short terms: No matter what music You are into, Your colleagues and organisers will allways expect You to visually fit into the whole band or orchestra. So if You want to be flexible in this, don't get anything permanent and visible !!


Well, that DOES make me turn back to those tonguetubes.....
they're NOT permanent and NOT necessarily visible,
C'mon, Phineas...give it a try...will You ?
I'll make that thing...and YOU get Your tongue pierced !! Now THAT'S a deal..isn"t it ?

;-) :-)

Benjahmin

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Post by Bo »

Phineas wrote:
ExPhysKid wrote:But didn't I hear somewhere that getting your tongue pierced will dramatically improve your double-tonguing abilities? KIDDING!! :wink:
But hey, I would imagine those people that pierce their tongue could use that tongue ring as a percussion instrument! Mix some beat box flute, with some lip plate percussion and you are good to go! LMAO!

Phineas
Wouldn't flutter-tonguing sound sort of bell-like? Well, chime-like? :wink:

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Post by pied_piper »

Bo wrote:Wouldn't flutter-tonguing sound sort of bell-like? Well, chime-like? :wink:
Probably more like a door bell... :lol:
"Never give a flute player a screwdriver."
--anonymous--

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This thread is getting too serious for me...LOL

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