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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:35 pm 
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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:43 pm 
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o yeah, andwhat's double bladder and waz 'gizmo
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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 6:24 am 
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Hi. French style flutes arent necessarily better than
plateau flutes, personal preference really. There are some advantages to french
style though. Firstly, you can feel the vibration in your fingers, you can do
some fancy extended techniques including glissandos and they help with flute
technique with how you hold the flute, but french style are harder to adjust to.
You can buy plugs to put in the holes while you are adjusting and can remove
them as you go. Also when getting a new flute, look at other things as well as
just open holes. Double bladder pads are higher quality pads which are placed
under the tone holes correct me if im wrong someone, but only B foot flutes have
a gizmo key. Not all B foot flutes have these but most do. The gizmo key is a
high C (C4) facilitator which makes the high C sound cleaner and crisper. If you
have any more questions about parts on flutes please post again and I'll do my
best to assist you! [8)]

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:26 pm 
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u no the gizmo key? u said it gives a crisper c4, but
does it make it easier to play c4? i can't play it.

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
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That's what practice is for. [;)]


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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:00 pm 
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I know! I practice 5 days a week for 1:30 hours
everyday!!! I have private lessons too..!!

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:29 pm 
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Open/closed holes has been debated by top level players
and flute makers the world wide. One thing is certain, outstanding world class
music is being played daily on both types and none of us can hear the
difference. Open holes promote better finger technique. Closed holes produce a
more consistant exacting sound. Open holes allow for another variable. A
variable that can be bad and in very rare instances can be helpful. More demand
for upper level flutes with open holes making them easier to resell. Pages and
pages have been and will continue to be written on the subject and there is no
definitive answer. Certainly on the list of things that make a flute sound good,
whether the holes are open or not is far far far down the list for how much
consideration they are given. You might as well ask if donuts taste better with
holes in them.[;)] [:)] [;)]


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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:58 am 
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u asked about the gizmo key making C4 easier. In my case
it does, though I can play C4, and notes higher than that, without any
facilitators. I couldn't tell you for sure if you would definately be able to
get C4 just because you have the gizmo key. Also, I find that when I'm playing
C4 I don't use the gizmo key anyway, I find that it is easier in the way of
fingering to leave it out, but if I were to just play a C4 by itself at any time
in a piece, I would probably use it.

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
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First off, just because its used by proffesionals,
doesn't mean it's good, and secondly, not all proffesionals use and open hole
flute. If you're taking private lessons, you teacher will tell you when to
upgrade your flute. Untill you can play at least a full two octave scale, or
prefferably a three octave scale you have no buisness looking at an open hole
flute. They'll only frustrate you and set you back in your playing. I hate to
sound harsh, but I've seen a lot of flutes and flutests ruined because they
think a more expensive or fancier flute will help them play better. If you're
having trouble with the upper octaves because you are having to force them out,
I have two suggestions. First is try to sing and play, this is where you sing
the note while you are playing it. Doing this opens your throat and adjusts your
embouchre slightly in a manner that makes playing the upper octaves easier.
Secondly, I would look at buying a new headjoint with a different cut on the lip
plate. Now this is all a matter of prefference as different people find
different cuts easier or harder, it just depends on the person. Hope this helps,
Kim

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:51 am 
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I disagree a little. I do agree if you think a better
flute or one with more features will make up for what you haven't learned yet
or will shortcut you to being a better player you are mistaken. I disagree that
a better flute or open holes is a negative for a beginner. Some advanced flutes
are more difficult to play because of the headjoint design. There are advantages
to starting with an open hole or better quality flute. But in the end its the
player not the instrument that has to get the job done. If you are easily
frustrated or looking for instant gratification with your play, by all means
play a closed hole student flute or keep the plugs in. But if you are in it for
the long haul and can accept the extra time go for what your budget will allow.
lets not forget that no matter what the flute companies advertising department
calls a flute, it probably is really a student quality flute unless you are up
in the $3000 area selling price. Not retail price like Gemeinhard or Jupiter or
other company that regularly discounts nearly 50%. It could be an excellent
student flute and last you through HS but its still a student flute open hole or
closed hole. There is a small community of flute players, even pros that swear
you are better off with closed holes and play them in orchestras. Its not likely
an open hole on a flute will make you sound better except for making you be more
precise with your fingerings. But the open holes wont make it sound better than
if you played a closed hole.

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:53 pm 
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NO NO NO NO NO!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!! sorry but no.
dont buy an open hole flute till you have three things. 1) good technique 2)
good hand position 3) good embouser (i cant spell these uper class words lol)


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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:14 am 
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So if you say no often enough your opinion will seem be
more like fact? I have been teaching for 32 years and children adjust quickly to
open holes and they are very helpful in improving technique. My teacher and many
of my fellow teachers agree. So yes, yes, yes. And by the way the embouchure has
nothing to do with open or closed holes.


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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:19 am 
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Well by now you have learned what a opened holed flute
is, and a double bladder pad and a gizmo key. I think the clue to your question
is the comment made about C4. If you are asking a question about open holed
flutes and closed holed flutes your experience must be at a minimum. Your flute
maybe not good enough to sound a C4. You may have really bad pads on a cheap
flute. If this is the case you will never get a C4. Have you asked your teacher
this? does he/she know what I am talking about? How experienced is your teacher?
See if you can borrow your teachers flute and try to blow a C4. Another thing is
to practice the overtone series. start with a low C. and play all the overtones
associated with it yes a gizmo key does help with clarity of C4 and higher, but
you do not need to worry about that now. Other flutists may not use it in faster
passages but if you play your scales you can use it in a fast passage. But this
is for pros, it seems the other replies to your question have gone off in other
directions. this is the arguement of open holed vs. closed holed. this is not
something you should concern yourself with at this point. If you want an open
holed flute. get one if that is what want to do. It can be a neat experience
holding something new in your hand. But you can play just as well on a plateau
model. I agree with the teacher of 30+ years. Students do adjust quickly to open
holed flutes, unless they have unique hands which are very small


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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:03 am 
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Whats a double bladder ive never heard about it before

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 Post subject: open holed,,,
PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:32 pm 
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Double Bladder is a type of pad to put on your flute
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