SPONSOR AD:BLUE LANDSCAPES   ~   Music from a Quieter Place | ROBERT THIES (piano) & DAMJAN KRAJACIC (flute)  >> LISTEN HERE

Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Flute History and Instrument Purchase

Moderators: Classitar, pied_piper, Phineas

User avatar
pied_piper
Posts: 1613
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:31 pm
Location: Virginia

Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby pied_piper » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:26 pm

It seems there is another rash of fake Yamaha flutes listed on eBay. The ones that I have seen have been listed as Yamaha 211S and 271S. I have reported these to eBay and hopefully they will crack down and remove them, but in the meanwhile, if you see a Yamaha flute listed, please be wary, especially if the price seems extraordinarily low.

Here's a comparison photo. The real Yamaha is on the left, the fake is on the right. Notice that the Yamaha logo is not quite correct on the fake and the engraving is not in the Yamaha style. Yamaha uses a hollow outline style font for "Yamaha" while the fake does not.
Yamaha Compare.jpg
Yamaha Compare.jpg (158.96 KiB) Viewed 8403 times
"Never give a flute player a screwdriver."
--anonymous--

User avatar
Zevang
Posts: 580
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:28 pm

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby Zevang » Mon Feb 04, 2013 8:37 pm

Thanks for sharing! :-)

mirwa
Posts: 269
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:36 pm
Location: Australia - Perth
Contact:

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby mirwa » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:31 am

Its been happening for a while.

We are warranty agents for yamaha, I pointed out close to about 6 years ago the existence of these flutes, my contact at yamaha instantly got hold of ebay, within a week the person was shut down, a week later they opened up under a different user name, this went on for about 6 months, my contact at Yamaha eventually gave up, ebay does not care or enforce the rules even though they are aware of the situation, onoly after complaints are made do they act.

There is also Buffet and Yamaha clarinet fakes

User avatar
flutego12
Posts: 554
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:51 am
Location: Southern Hemisphere, Earth

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby flutego12 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:47 am

Thank you for the heads up Pied Piper. Online shoppers like me depend on it!
Counterfeit is an ongoing problem but collective awareness of it and the accompanying decision not to support it is the biggest step towards thwarting these guys. Keep up the good work mirwa.

Thankfully my Yamaha USA verified Made in Japan 2009 Yamaha, rescued from a US pawnshop (found out by default by googling) by an amazing (& honest) hobbyist-refurbisher called xxxxxxx-flutes is not one of them.
Last edited by flutego12 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
flutist with a screwdriver

ghostNote
Posts: 47
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:41 pm
Location: Southeast Asia

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby ghostNote » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:04 am

So, what's the story? Were they smuggled out before they could be officially engraved?

mirwa
Posts: 269
Joined: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:36 pm
Location: Australia - Perth
Contact:

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby mirwa » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:53 am

No, they are just cheap crappy fakes.

User avatar
flutego12
Posts: 554
Joined: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:51 am
Location: Southern Hemisphere, Earth

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby flutego12 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:32 am

Fake or Counterfeit means "not authentic nor of the same origin" but an imitation or pretense to be so.
Hence neither made in Japan nor Indonesia which is where Yamaha Flutes are typically made.

Thank God for the blatant distinguishing features, imagine when the counterfeit is that good that we can't tell them apart, now that would be disastrous. Hence Caveat Emptor.
Last edited by flutego12 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
flutist with a screwdriver

Kaylyn
Posts: 53
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:30 pm

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby Kaylyn » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:09 am

I also just reported one to eBay. Hopefully it gets taken down before some unsuspecting parent buys it thinking they got a great deal.

ghostNote
Posts: 47
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:41 pm
Location: Southeast Asia

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby ghostNote » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:41 pm

What made you think it warrants being reported, Kaylyn? How did you spot the fake is what I'm asking.

Kaylyn
Posts: 53
Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:30 pm

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby Kaylyn » Mon May 18, 2015 2:53 pm

Bumping this thread. Many more fakes on eBay, with blatantly wrong logos. I tried reporting one last night but it sold for almost $200 with several bids. Ugh. Reported two more I noticed today. BUYER BEWARE!

kienle51
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:46 am

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby kienle51 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:08 am

How about this one? Should I buy it?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/321159647440

Im freaking out after reading you guys comments!

User avatar
pied_piper
Posts: 1613
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:31 pm
Location: Virginia

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby pied_piper » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:55 pm

The photos show what appears to be a genuine Yamaha box, but they don't show enough detail about the flute itself to make a definitive assessment. The pricing is more than the typical fake Yamaha, but that is no guarantee either. This may be a legitimate Yamaha dealer, but there is no real way to tell if this is one of them. If you choose to buy from a foreign vendor, you assume the risk in exchange for a lower price.
"Never give a flute player a screwdriver."
--anonymous--

kienle51
Posts: 3
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:46 am

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby kienle51 » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:43 pm

Thanks much for your reply, I'll ask for real pictures before making any decision.

RoadRanger
Posts: 3
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:05 pm

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby RoadRanger » Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:21 pm

I do live sound and the counterfeit microphones coming out of China have become so good that it's very difficult to tell. Hopefully the counterfeit instruments will remain easy to spot :( .

NATALIA
Posts: 1
Joined: Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:12 am

Re: Beware Fake/Counterfeit Yamaha flutes on eBay

Postby NATALIA » Fri Feb 03, 2017 3:47 am

Hi, I'm new to the world of flutes, I am a piano teacher and I understand the importance of having a good instrument for beginner player. I took a risk and bought a secondhand flute for my son, a 9 year old flute beginner.
I have to admit the info about flutes that I red on the internet is so very confusing. All I knew I need to buy Yamaha, which I did but now, after discovering your site I am concerned if the flute I bought on ebay is any good.
Could you please tell me your findings or where I can get information about it. Thank you for your time in advance.

YAMAHA YFL-221 Standard Silver Student Flute with Case - MADE in JAPAN
serial number 037841
Nippon Gakki Co. LTD - Japan
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/262778928255 ... EBIDX%3AIT


Return to “Flute History and Instruments”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 2 guests

cron