Seven Sonatas by Handel

Specifics of Performing Flute Repertoire, such as Articulation, Phrasing, Tone, Tempo, etc.

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Aessina
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Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by Aessina » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:44 pm

For All-County, I'm playing the fifth sonata by G. F. Handel. If I could get some tips on articulation, phrasing, and extra stuff (trills, vibrato) that would be great. Not tips on how to do the techniques, but rather how to apply them to the piece. Thankees!
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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by lianeandflute » Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:51 am

listen to lots of recordings and pick what you like. :)
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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by guido » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:47 am

Hi, everyone !

Does anyone know if a recording with piano exist ? I only find recordings with harpsichord. I'm playing with a pianist and we're working on Handel's sonatas. A piano recording would be very useful for him for getting ideas about dynamics, articulation, tempo and all these things. Thank you very much.
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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by lianeandflute » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:05 am

the pianist can still take dynamic markings and phrasing from the harpsichord recordings. they (and you) should be trying to do this anyway if you want to try and be stylistically accurate for interpretation.
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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by guido » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:21 am

Good day to you, lianeandflute.

Thank you for your answer.

the pianist can still take dynamic markings and phrasing from the harpsichord recordings. they (and you) should be trying to do this anyway if you want to try and be stylistically accurate for interpretation.


We certainly listen to harpsichord recordings. Sor far, we have listened to these :

- Rampal / Paillard (Erato) : my favourite so far.
- Laurel Zucker / Robin Sutherland (Cantilena)
- Peter van Heyghen / Kris Verhelst (Accent)

We enjoy these recordings, they're great. However, the harpsichord is a different instrument than the piano, isn't it ? A piano can do some things that a harpsichord can't do. To realise the things that can be done on a piano, we have to listen to a piano recording.

A very good pianist could see these things by studying the score and practcing it, but he's not that good.


We both play on modern instruments. Modern flute and modern piano. We try to use all the ressource of these instruments. So this is not what we would call an historically informed performance, not really accurate for interpretation.

My pianist doesn't want to make his piano sound like a harpsichord (he couldn't even if he wanted to) ; he wants to use it like a piano. And I agree with him.

However a recording could help for this.

I understand from your answer that you have never heard a recording of these pieces played on the piano.

Thank you for your answer.


Anybody else ?

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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by guido » Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:57 am

Has anyone ever heard of the Edmund-Davies edition of the sonatas ?


Product ID: COBS012870713
Composer/Artist/Author: George Frideric Handel
Editor/Arranger: Edmund-Davies, Paul
Instrumentation: Flute & Piano
Publisher: Mayhew (Kevin)
Publisher Ref No: 3611825
Language: Eng
Media: Book & CD
ISMN-10: M570243488
ISMN-13: 9790570243488


"Paul has also edited several books of music entitled The Flautist's Collection and has completed editing and recording the complete Flute Sonatas of JS Bach and Handel (consisting of score, parts and CD with complete performance and playalong version), the Telemann Fantasias, the two unaccompanied Partitas by JS and CPE Bach and the Canonic Sonatas and Sonatas for two flutes by Telemann."

Source : http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/orchestra ... nd_davies/


So, if I have carefully read, it comes with a CD recording of the pieces. It's not only a play along CD, there is a complete performance. It looks like it's played by the pianist John Alley.

Could anyone confirm this ? Does anyone have heard this CD ?

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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by lianeandflute » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:10 am

well why don't you try searching on itunes and through google to find some then?

generally there aren't that many recordings like this because the current trend is to try to have a historically informed interpretation, most people like to play with a harpsichord and make recordings with harpsichords.

i don't try to listen to professional recordings with piano because i, too, am interested in hearing a historically stylistic interpretation. I have, however, been to many performances with flute and piano playing baroque sonatas, and also played many baroque sonatas with piano myself. in all of these circumstances, the pianist (and myself/the performer) focused on trying to make the piece sound convincing and try to incorporate historical style into this. of course we are trying to use the resources of our instruments, but that's not usually the focus with baroque music as they used different instruments back then, so we strive to use our own instruments in a different way. e.g. the pianist should not be using pedal or doing lots of big crescendos in a romantic style.

nevertheless i understand what you're saying. you can find a lot of recordings on itunes, it's worth looking at youtube, also it's worth looking at fluteworld.com because they also sell many recordings.
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Re: Seven Sonatas by Handel

Post by lianeandflute » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:13 am

i own the paul edmund davies telemann sonatas that he edited and his recording - but that's solo.
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